Cataclysm Leather makes Instant Gold
No I haven’t gone insane with a title like Heavy Leather Shuffle. Although let’s pause for a moment to consider some well-leathered bikers shuffling down the street.
In related advice, don’t google “leather dance” unless you want your eyes burned.
Today’s blog post is a reminder that Savage Leather can be made into Heavy Savage Leather . 10 Heavy Savage Leather can be shuffled at a leather supplies vendor (except, oddly, the one in Dalaran!?) by ANY PLAYER into a single Pristine Hide .
In turn, Pristine Hide can be made by a leatherworker into lovely expensive gold making leg armors.
I may have wimped out on my A Level Maths, but even I know that when 10 Heavy Savage Leather are for sale for 200g+ and Pristine Hides sell for 300g+ then you have yourself a winner.
Go shuffle your leathers, guys!
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About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.
Royal Satchel
Anyone making gold in World of Warcraft needs the biggest and best bags in the game.
In Cataclysm these are Illusionary Bag []. 26 slot made with Dreamcloth.
In Mists of Pandaria, tailors can now make Royal Satchels with Imperial Silk.
24 slot bags
Royal Satchels are a 24 slot Non-Bind-on-Equip bag. That makes them smaller than Illusionary Bag, but it also makes them transferable after one alt has finished with them.
A non-soulbound bag is the standard bag.
Netherweave (16) [], Imbued Netherweave (18) [], Frostweave (20) [], and Embersilk bags(22) [] were all Bind on Equip.
Mooncloth (16) [], Runecloth (14) [], and (world drop) Traveler’s Backpacks (16) are not BoE, and can be passed from one alt to another, and indeed sold on the Auction House when you’ve finished with them.
The other 24 slot bag in game is the Portable Hole. This was the top end bag from Paris Hilton in Shattrath, until Illusionary Bags were introduced.
Royal Satchel Pattern
Seen myself in the Black Market AH run by Madam Goya at the Tavern in the Mists.
The Black Market Auction House is at the top of the stairs, which are in the cliffs at the far north east of Valley of the Four Winds (that’s the farming area just after Jade Forest).
There is no buyout, although you can bid the maximum of 999,999g which means no one else can outbid you.
Materials For Royal Satchel
The mats for the new Mists of Pandaria bag are currently set at 12 Imperial Silk.
Imperial silk in MoP Beta takes 2 bolts of Windwool Cloth and 3 Spirits of Harmony. Again, this could change.
Plans for the Royal Satchel
Blizzard could:
- Leave it as it is;
- Make it Bind on Equip;
- Make it a 28 or 30 slot bag;
- Make this a bag which replaces the current standard 16 slot backpack;
- Decrease the mats costs;
- Completely delete it and laugh at us because it was just a placeholder all along.
Is Royal Satchel the only Bag?
Everyone expects new bags in an expansion to be the next slot size up.
I would have predicted a BoE Windwool Bag at 24 slots, and an unnamed Rare bag at 28 slots. There have also been some calls on the WoW forums for a tailor-only Bind on Equip 30+ slotter.
Will I buy Royal Satchels?
All my alts are decked out in 26 slot illusionary bags in most inventory and bank slots. I will be holding out to hear about a 28 slot rare bag instead!
About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.
Undercutting on the World of Warcraft Auction House – Your Ultimate Guide
When you undercut you get less money for a quicker financial return.
In this guide you’ll discover:
- Who is undercutting and for how much and why
- Types of undercuts
- How to deal with an undercutter
The semi-anonymous nature of the Auction House in WoW takes the personal nature out of buying and selling. Some players refuse to use trade chat for this reason.
As we’ll see, other players put their personality back into the AH by using undercutting to attempt to control a market or put their personal stamp on selling prices.
Undercutter can be a derogatory term, and is almost always used to describe a World of Warcraft player who has posted on the WoW Auction House for less than your price. However, undercutting on the AH is something all goldmakers must do to get rich.
How much do players undercut for?
I asked my 2000* twitter followers “by how much do you undercut?” and had a wonderful breadth of replies. Here are some of those answers:
* Ok it’s only 1990 followers, but you could help make it 2,000 by following me today.
Undercut by 1c
Majority of replies. Usually because players want the maximum amount of gold in the shortest time as possible. A common response was “why should I lose more by undercutting more?”
between 1 to 50g depending on what item and how big/popular the market is..
Mashi
Every copper you undercut by more is a copper less profit
Yngvede the Insane
Undercut by 10%
The player confessing the 10% undercut said he was a noob, but there is actually a facility in Auctionator addon to specify a % undercut or starting price discount.
Deep Undercut
Players thought that after a few weeks of driving the prices down and the competitors will give up. Sometimes deep undercuts are made by frustrated sellers.
I lose a lot of money if I list items and they don’t sell.
Tenorikum
Never Undercut
Some items are ones that players refuse to undercut.
I always post neatherweave bags at 25g each. Regardless of everyone elses price. I know they always will sell eventually.
Overcut
Overcuts were suggested by some followers. Trimble suggested +3%.
I usually go 20% above The Undermine Journal’s global.
Josh
Responsive under and overcuts.
I’ve 4 chars that I use to f-ck with automated programs each one posts the same items and each posts higher then the last.
That’s sneaky, Trimble!
Image: Spankiepants. Click to enlarge.
Another player doesn’t undercut, and lists his auctions at the same price as competitors but puts his bid price much lower than theirs. This has the effect of showing his item first when a player without any warcraft auction house addons searches for items by low bid price. This can backfire if the player has an addon to show the lowest buyout price instead. However,
Undercutting is like sex with your girfriend. You do it all the time. You hate it if anyone else does it. If someone else does it more than once, then it’s war. But if your friend does it, woah someone’s gonna get seriously hurt.
The Gold Queen
How to Undercut on the World of Warcraft Auction House
1. Camp the AH
On the rare occasion that you have spare time, it is possible to engage in AH “war”. Remember, time is money friend.
- Post your item 1c below the competition
- Continue with other chores, dailies, or other Auction House buying or selling.
- Check if you were undercut using Auctionator. Click the More tab, then check for undercuts.
- Repost your auctions.
- It’s war! Repeat until you die from stress.
Pros: Good for high volume items during peak hours if you need to get your armor, weapons, or other items sold fast.
Cons: You can slowly but surely crash the price. Could waste your time. Cost of posting auctions. All that running back and forth to the mailbox. Undercutting by 1c is the most yawn-inducing unimaginative method of AH undercutting. The only thing more unimaginative is letting your addon (Auctioneer) choose your price.
Undercutting can get a bit silly when people undercut you by 1c! I refuse to buy those auctions on principle!;)
2. Pounce when their back is turned
This method needs the personal touch. Be ready to step in and take your competitor’s auction sales when his back is turned.
- Check if you were undercut using Auctionator.
- Click the More tab, then check for undercuts.
- Find out who undercut you.
- Add them to your friends list.
- Watch until they leave the city.
- Repost your auctions.
Pros: Good for when you have lots of time to wait around.
Cons: Could end up waiting forever as you are constantly undercut.
3. Deep Undercutting
Aggressively dropping prices, either to your minimal selling price, where you barely make a profit, or to a 1/2 or less than 50% of your competitor’s AH listing. Note: this isn’t price gouging, which means selling an item excessively high due to little or no competition. An example of deep undercutting would be driving gem prices down just above the price of ore.
- Click the More tab, then check for undercuts.
- Find out who undercut you.
- Add them to your friends list.
- Watch until they leave the city.
- Repost your auctions.
Pros: Destroys competitor’s ability to make gold. Makes buyers think they have a bargain. Competitors may retire from market.
Cons: Destroys the market, prices may never recover. Annoys competitors. Competitors retire from the AH for a good reason!
Deep undercutting is often driven by fear or idleness. Fear of not selling, and a lack of determination to post and repost at a True Value. True Value is one of the methods I teach in my new gold guide scheduled for release later this year. True Value is not the lowest price of your competitor’s demands!
Secret Cow Level
4. Overcutting
Purposefully refusing to undercut. You post your sales on the Auction House for more than your competitors. Works on the principle that lower priced items will sell first, then yours. Some overcutters do it purely from pride, refusing to take a loss on an item they previously bought for more.
I often over cut commodity items that I know have a high turnover. E.g. Truegold
- Be clear that the market price of the item is rising.
- Check WoWuction. From the Global tab choose either EU Item Trends or US Item Trends.
- Check The Undermine Journal. Use the Item/Seller Search option once you’ve chosen your Warcraft server realm. Read the Price and Availability History graph.
- Triple check with Market Watcher if you use it.
- Look for a price break in the list of sellers, eg 10 at 8g, 4 at 20g. You would post at 19g 99s.
- Add 10% on to the market value and post for that price.
- Experiment with pricing according to successes.
- You can undercut with singles, or in stack sizes different to your competitor.
- Cross your fingers / claws / paws / tentacles and hope.
[quote]I overcut volitile air quite often and crafted PvP gear. Most people lvling just stick it up for a fraction of the cost
Soco, Twitter follower[/quote]
Pros: Could make more gold than your competitor. Good for times of scarcity. Could create your very own monopoly. You create perceived scarcity. Price Fixing isn’t illegal in World of Warcraft.
Cons: Your auction won’t be the first to sell. You can’t be 100% sure the price will continue to rise. You have to keep track of every item.
When you have something for sale and it is literally flying off the shelves, there’s no reason to undercut.
A smart overcutter can encourage his competitor to buyout the cheaper auctions and repost them at a higher price in hopes of a profit (this is called flipping). You could worry the overcut competitor into thinking he has priced too low, and he may raise his prices. This makes the sellers market stronger for both of you.
5. Walling
Walling is an emotion-based market control method of undercutting. You can also use walling to feed false data to your competitors, or simply annoy them out of the market.
- Requires that you own 25% or more of the available stock
- Follow the Deep Undercutting guide to find a price that is profitable to you but unattractive to competitors.
- For example, 10% higher than cost price.
- Post a large number of items at a deeply undercut value.
- Your competitors are unable to undercut you without losing a significant amount of profit.
- Hopefully this drives your competing players out the Auction House.
Pros: Can empty “your” market of competitors, either temporarily or permanently.
Cons: Cost of AH posting. Unless you also control the supply of that item, you could get mindlessly undercut anyway.
Checking Mail in Lordaeron
6. Stealth
Stealth undercutting is one of my favourite undercut methods. It works best for high demand items at high demand times. The aim is to get yours bought without alerting competitors that you have a high level of stock and without alarming them that they are missing out on a lot of sales and gold.
- Post each item one at a time
- Post for 1c under the lowest competitor
- Keep the rest of the items in your bags
- The moment one of your items sells, you replenish that item in the AH
Pros: Makes an enormous amount of gold if done right, without getting any negative attention from other sellers.
Cons: You need to have a lot of time. Which can eat into your opportunity cost. You need to be ready nearby to repost.
7. Smart
A hybrid method of under and overcutting based on an items true value. My prefered method.
- Lean the True Value of an item
- Adjust for Day
- for time
- for expected demand, eg raid start and finish times
- for expected supply, eg seasonal items at the end of a seasonal festival
- for current amount on the Auction House and how many are under or over the True Value
Pros: Sell items at their maximum price, sell as much as possible.
Cons: All that research and time? Just to make some gold?
How to Deal with Problem Undercutters
The Mindless Undercutting player
This guy is so predictable it’s untrue. As un-surprising as a Saturday night 5 minute fumble, he heads to the Auction House straight after raiding and just blows his load as cheap and as fast as possible.
Look for: Epic Gems 2-5% lower than all the others.
How to deal with him: He’s a buyer’s dream because he doesn’t give a crap if he’s making a good profit, as long as he makes some gold. Buy all his auctions then offer to buy everything else he has, a few silver cheaper than the Auction House price, “just send them cash on delivery”. When or if he mails you, you have got yourself an unreliable pet farmer. Take your choice of his offerings, preferably over 75% if you want next week’s off-load of armor weapons and trade items. Then send him a gushing letter of thanks, and ignore him until next week.
The AH Camper
This is a WoW player determined to empty his gold into the AH, spending the most on Auction House fees. As usual, the person who wants to spend the most gold gets what he wants, so if he’s determined to undercut you by 1c and relisting within seconds of you posting your sale on the AH, then you’ve got a camper.
Look for: Easy to spot, he’s 1c underneath you. Within seconds.
How to deal with him: He’s completely determined to “control” the market. I say control in quotes because whilst he thinks he’s in control, he isn’t really. So give in. You have two strategies, both very similar. Wait until his auctions sell, and then post. Or overcut him and have your item ready to sell the moment that his has sold. If he has a very big supply and is very determined, then diversify. Go into a different market for a short while unil he is fed up of feeding his gold coins into the one-armed-bandit.
Warning
If your items are undercut faster than Trade Skill Master can match, then you have yourself a bot. Raise a ticket to the GMs to get rid of him.
Undercutting War between Competitors
Sometimes two or more competitors can erupt in a fury of fast undercutting, cancelling and reposting in an undercutting war.
Look for: Two items undercutting each other by 1c, only to magically disappear and be relisted 1c under the other player’s AH post.
How to deal with him: Don’t get involved. Wait it out. Or post at the “market break”. Market break is 1c under the next highest AH post apart from those two competitors squabbling like children. Naturally, if either of these over emotional people post too low, buy them out like with any low priced. As long as you know they don’t have another 100 in their bags.
I’m Alyzande, I’m the writer for The Gold Queen, and I’m an undercutter. I often undercut 4-5,000 items on the WoW auction house each time I log on. You hatin’? Don’t, because undercutting’s perfectly natural.
Worst Undercutting Mistakes
- Stock Dumping / Accidental or Purposeful Walling
- Excessively Deep Undercutting
- Wrong Stack Sizes (not covered by this guide)
Posting a large quantity (see “Walling“) or deep undercutting does not immediately drive down prices, and therefore your profit.
But both methods do stop prices from rising.
Big mistake.
The true value of an item does not change when you stock-dump, or deep undercut, but public perception can devalue the item if you don’t act!
Correcting Undercutting Mistakes
- Found an occasional deep undercutter? Buy them out.
- Regular deep undercutter or waller? Wait them out. It won’t take long before they get fed up of the cost of re-listing prices. Without an AH competitor to battle against, they’re soon get bored and greedy and post at the normal price.
- Offer to buy bulk from the seller
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About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.
Pink Ribbon
Today’s post was meant to be about Undercutting, but something more important demands attention.
Our friend and fellow Warcraft Gold Blogger Nev of AH Addict, Helen, has been coping with some sad and scary news, which she talks about on her blog today.
To support her in this time, please visit her blog today and consider sponsoring her brave decision. What is bravery but deciding to be courageous in the face of fear? It certainly puts charging down the WSG tunnel into perspective, right?
Please do this:
- Wear a Pink Mageweave Shirt in game
- Pin a pink ribbon to your shirt in real life. Real men wear pink.
- Sponsor Nev
- Borrow my Pink Mageweave Shirt graphic
Bravery
When I first found out, I was scared for her, because I’m good at being brave, not so good at being brave for someone else. So instead, she said on facebook “have a drink for me” so I lifted a glass to her.
I said Congratulations. A bloody odd thing to say, you may think.
[quote]Congratulations on learning the name of your enemy, because now you can beat the shit* out of the bastard*.[/quote]
About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.
*It’s my blog I can swear if I want to 😛
I love reading about your successes.
D emailed me with his Vendor Recipe successes and collecting tips.
[quote]Hi!
I’m a bit of a slow learner, yet to hit 100k but picking up so much helpful advice from your blog that I thought I’d better write and say thanks.
I’ve just had a huge breakthrough and am kicking myself for not exploring vendor recipe reselling before.
I’m on a pretty big realm and just assumed that the market in these would be saturated with hundreds of gold makers listing their recipes driving prices down into the sub 1g area.
I should’ve checked though shouldn’t I? Just sold all of the Kendor Kabonka vendored recipes at between 20-50g. All of them bought in Stormwind, and all of them sold within one 48 hour post.
I realise this is old hat to you but I was amazed that such an easy market was still unexploited on a big server, I was the only poster for some of them. So I’ve decided to make a round-trip of all the vendored recipes in Azeroth this evening.
As if I wasn’t in enough of an excited frenzy already, I just found that the addon ‘Ackis Recipe List‘ will quite happily filter recipes into a list of vendored items and gives the coordinates of each vendor. To top it all, shift-ctrl-click on a recipe in the list and it adds the vendor as a tomtom waypoint. Well that’s my evening sorted out. Thanks for all the help with making gold, the blog is awesome,
~D [/quote]
D, you think that this is “old hat” to me. Yes, it is something I discovered a few years back, but it is still something that works!
And it’s really important to remind myself of where we all start, trying to make sense of it all, and how important it is to keep grounded and keep doing the same things if they are profitable.
My favourite vendor recipe is the Spiced Chili Crab by the way.
Myra Tyrngaarde, Ironforge Bread Vendor, Fan Art
Fan of Vendors? You’ll love this Myra Tyrngaarde image, from http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Myra_Tyrngaarde_Fanart.jpg Click image to enlarge.
Ackis Recipe List
[quote]The Ackis Recipe List addon found the Spiced Chilli Crab recipe for me and I’ve sold 3 at between 80 and 95g, all sold within the first listing period.
~D[/quote]
I get a lot of email and everyone gets an answer, but sometimes a reader comes up with a great idea that has to be shared!
D, if you’re reading, I’d love to know how much you can make in one 24 hours just with vendor recipe reselling. We also call it “flipping” and it’s a well known and easy way to make gold, but D’s important point is if it makes profit, do it!
Do any other readers use Ackis Recipe List and TomTom waypoints to make their vendor routes? I bet you know loads of out-of-the-way places for these limited supply recipes.
About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.
ps my next post will be about undercutting, scheduled for 1-2 weeks time.
Thank you
A little history
The Gold Queen blog was started in late 2010 in response to guild members and then other players on my server asking for help with making gold.
Whilst I was happy to share what I had learned so far, it began to take more and more of my time to explain and encourage and give inspiration as I wanted.
It’s far more important to me to give out knowledge and the benefit of my experience, than to give out actual gold coins.
“Gold coins can be spent, but wisdom endures forever.”
The Gold Queen
When thinking of what name to give to the website, my son kept gleefully shouting “you’re the queen of gold mummy, you have to call it that!” and so I did as I was told. Despite the arrogant-sounding name, I think I am a modest person. I’m just proud of being able to share what I know.
I have found that sharing what I know about making world of warcraft gold has helped me learn even more.
Thank you to my competitors on the servers, to the other gold makers, the wannabes and the guildies. You inspired this!
Back to the Present
In July 2011 I made a leap of faith and stopped signing for welfare/benefits from the UK government. As a single mother, I needed a career that was flexible enough to fit around caring for two children, one with Aspergers, and always be available for them at home. I work on the blog, twitter, facebook and email when they are at school, and when they’re in bed.
I am so lucky to be able to share my knowledge with you, and to be able to look after my family, and to have such a flexible working schedule. I currently make around 10c an hour, lol, but what’s important is that I make *something* and that I love what I do.
“What is essential is invisible to the eye”
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Thank you to every reader who has come here, whether you have left a comment, or not.
Thank you especially to the supporters of “white ribbon” because you helped me personally at a hard time.
Thank you to my “competitor” bloggers, because you’re an inspiration to me.
Thank you to my fans on facebook, thank you to my followers on twitter.
You inspire me to create better things for you in the future.
Thank you
Looking to the Future
I am still “on blog vacation” until the mid/end of June. I need to take 2-3 weeks out of blogging in order to focus on my big project. Whilst I’ve been doing this in my “spare time” for the past 18 months, I’m now heading for the big push towards completion. Yeah, its something that will benefit you, but I’m not ready to share a half-completed idea with you, yet! I’ve been recording a development diary along the way, so if you’d like to have a peep at that, just email me through the contact form.
“Remember, nothing is easy. But who wants nothing?”
D Trump
For the blog, my next post will be on Undercutting and Dealing with Problems. It will be in mid-late June. I’ll still be researching Mists of Pandaria news in the meantime and if anything pops up, I’ll let you know with an interim post.
The Gold Queen is changing slowly towards what you want it to be, because I’m listening to your queries and your worries, and trying to make their solutions the focus of the blog.
For example, I was unhappy that answering emails was so slow and time-consuming. That’s why I’m delighted to welcome aboard a new member of staff, and community manager Matojo. She’s been inspiring a few of you with gold making problems to focus on the right solutions. Let’s give her a warm welcome.
Thank you Matojo.
I’m still taking a 1-2 week blogging break. Still looking for guests posts. Let me know.
About the Author
The Gold Queen is written by Alyzande. With many level 100s, 9 years expertise in making gold, 10 garrisons, 16k achievements, 1505 days played, and over 18m gold earned. The Gold Queen blog teaches you how to make gold playing World of Warcraft using ethical trading, auction house flipping, crafting, reselling snatch lists, and farming gold making.